Discussion of

A Model of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia by I. Drechsler, A. Savov, and P. Schnabl

Stefan Nagel University of Michigan, NBER, CEPR

January 2015

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Overview Focus: Connection monetary policy – risk premia? This paper (revision in progress): To hold risky assets with deposit funding, banks require a liquidity reserve in the form of non-interest bearing reserves Cost depends on level of nominal interest rate Sort of like Bernanke and Blinder (1998) bank lending channel, but with regards to asset purchases and asset risk premia

Main comments/questions: Is this a potentially important channel of how monetary policy affects asset risk premia? Main alternatives: CB policy affects path of future interest rates, which has follow on effects through Intermediary balance-sheet channel: Expected real rates affect net worth (Bernanke and Gertler 1989, 1999). which in turn affects intermediary risk-taking (He and Krishnamurthy 2013, Brunnermeier and Sannikov 2014) Risk-taking of asset managers subject to performance-flow relationhsip (Morris and Shin 2014) Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Simple binomial model to illustrate key mechanism Equi-probable states U and D

Endowments*

Asset*

eU#

dU#

e0#

0# eD#

d D#

Two agents: A (“averse”) and B (“brave”) Identical endowment stream Additionally, A owns one unit of the asset initally

Agent B can borrow (collateralized) from A to purchase asset Only asset dividends can serve as collateral: Max. repayment promise = dD (similar to Fostel and Geanakoplos 2012) Consider case in which collateral use maxed out Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Simple binomial model to illustrate key mechanism

Objective " max E0

1 X t=0

Ct −

αh 2 C 2 t

#

with αB > αA , Tax on borrowing: θ× Amount borrowed Equivalent to reserve requirement w/ zero interest on reserves: θ = nominal interest rate × reserve requirement

Consider case with max. leverage. Parameters: αA = 0.7, αB = 0.1, e0 = 1.4, eU = eD = 1, dU = 2, dD = 1.

Look at asset risk premium: E [R] − Rf , where Rf = cost of debt paid by B to A

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Opportunity cost of reserves and asset risk premium 3.3 3.25

E[R]−Rf (%)

3.2 3.15 3.1 3.05 3 2.95

0

0.1

0.2 0.3 Theta (%)

0.4

0.5

Thus: change in E [R] − Rf ≈ change in reserves “tax” µ

r

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

0.35 0.3 0.25

Opportunity cost of reserves and asset risk premium: Full dynamic model 0.2

0.15 0.1

0.05

Figure 3 from the paper 0 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1 (blue: no “tax”; red:0 reserves “tax” = 0.10 × 5%) ω µ

r

−3

6

x 10

5 4 3 2 1 0 0

0.2

0.4

0.6

0.8

1

ω Figure 3: The price of risk and the risk premium. The figure plots the Sharpe ratio (top panel) and risk premium (bottom panel) of the endowment f triangles) and n2 = 5% (red squares) interest claim under the n1 = 0% (blue rate policies.

Thus: change in E [R] − R ≈ change in reserves “tax” Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Comment 1: Magnitudes Changes in risk premia induced by changes in reserves “tax” seem small 1 pct point change in nominal interest rate ≈ 0.1 pct point change in risk premium Paper emphasizes that change looks big relative to level of risk premium, but that level is small (< 0.10%) and the effect seems to be additive, not multiplicative, so relative comparison not useful

Small effects even though the model is already an extreme case banks are the only buyers of risky assets banks have no access to non-deposit term funding

Leaves me skeptical on the relevance of this channel compared with alternative ones (intermediary balance sheets, asset manager agency problems, ...)

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Comment 2: Liability-side frictions Second key friction in the model (not emphasized): Risk-averse agents cannot bypass reserves “tax” when lending to risk tolerant agents, i.e., no bond market, no non-depository lending, ... Without this assumption: because RDeposit < RLending ⇒ incentive to raise illiquid term funding that does not require reserve holdings as liquidity buffer Sustaining RDeposit < RLending in equilibrium without hardwiring it would require that deposits offer a liquidity benefit that is commensurate with this wedge Liquidity benefits from holding deposits are therefore necessary, not just an “alternative” to get the results in the paper. Use model in Appendix C as baseline model? Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Comment 3: Interest on reserves

In many countries, CB have, for a while now, paid interest on reserves (IOR) at level close to interbank rates ⇒ Reserves “tax” to close to zero ⇒ Reserves “tax” de-linked it from level of nominal interest rate.

Consequence in this model: monetary policy would not affect risk premia anymore Is this plausible? Is this empirically true (e.g., Canada, UK, NZ, ...)? Or is the reserves “tax” channel just not the important link between monetary policy and risk premia? Alternative channel (balance sheet) still works even if IOR = interbank rates

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

Summary

Link monetary policy - risk premia is an important question Elegant and clean model Not entirely convincing that the channel emphasized in the paper is an important channel of how monetary policy affects risk premia

Stefan Nagel

Discussion of Monetary Policy and Risk Premia

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