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status Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?" RT @TeacherTalks: @schoolduggery New blog-post: Is Michael Gove a control freak? http://bit.ly/eEBuRD #ukedchat Please read and RT if of interest RT @ukedchat: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?" RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?" RT @TeacherTalks: New blog-post: Is Michael Gove a control freak? http://bit.ly/eEBuRD #ukedchat Please read and RT if of interest Welcome to #ukedchat!!! an hour long discussion coming up to discuss why somany new teachers leave within 5 years - and how to reduce drain! RT @Creativeedu: RT @colport: Join @janwebb21 for #ukedchat "Why do so many new teachers leave within 5 years and how we can reduce drain?" So what factors are discouraging new teachers from staying in the profession? #ukedchat @janwebb21 main factor: poor staff development from slt. #ukedchat @janwebb21 It's an interesting one! Is this more a problem at secondary than primary? #ukedchat @frogphilp what sort of staff development is needed then? #ukedchat RT @colport: @janwebb21 It's an interesting one! Is this more a problem at secondary than primary? #ukedchat @janwebb21 how about a 70 hour working week? No recognition from SMT? Getting abuse from children/parents? #ukedchat @janwebb21 #ukedchat workload, going into profession for wrong reasons. #ukedchat Lack of work/life balance, People come into prof thinking its an easy job but they find in reality that their old life was better @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat and does it depend on the teacher's previous employment experience? RT @philallman1: @janwebb21 #ukedchat workload, going into profession for wrong reasons. I know at least two who have left purely as a result of extreme behaviour issues they've felt uncomfortably dealing with #UKEdChat good evening. are the teachers leaving necessarily 'weak' teachers? What if they have taught 5 ruddy great years? #ukedchat Has anyone seen colleagues leaving within 5 years? Where do they go? #ukedchat @frogphilp #ukedchat Leaving School maybe but surely not the entire profession RT @colport: Has anyone seen colleagues leaving within 5 years? Where do they go? #ukedchat< outside teaching I had the 5 yr itch too! @john_at_muuua but if they've taught 5 great years, why leave something that is working well? #ukedchat @john_at_muuua Indeed....and where do you go if you do leave? #ukedchat It would be worse for the profession if there was stability in retention. we need new blood to enhance teaching. #ukedchat #ukedchat are there any stats to show demographics - male / female / geography etc of NQTs and those leaving the profession? @philallman1 Outside teaching, I had the 1/2/3/4/5 year itch, until decided after 12 years to 'go for it'! #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @colport @frogphilp #ukedchat and does it depend on the teacher's prev empl exp.?< yes! got to go into it for rt reasons Why do teachers leave the profession, perhaps because they're no longer treated like professionals http://bit.ly/i1huom #ukedchat I friends who have done 'teachfirst' and struggled to make it through, all have hated it. Not heard one positive story! #UKEdChat RT @leeandrewdunn: #ukedchat are there any stats to show demographics - male / female / geography etc of NQTs and those leaving the profession? @colport Two friends of mine ended up in police force! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu @deerwood #UKEdChat is the type of training also part of the problem? Two people I graduated with have left teaching already because of the enormous after school workload... #ukedchat @janwebb21 #ukedchat!! good topic! do we need to rethink teacher ed quotas and throughput? @misshbond so what makes a workload balanced? #ukedchat RT @Catriona_O: @janwebb21 #ukedchat!! good topic! do we need to rethink teacher ed quotas and throughput? @mr_chadwick Wow....from teaching to Police Force?!? #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: #UKEdChat is the type of training also part of the problem?< yes is current training relevant or lead them to false concl. tech question - have been recommended twitterfall to follow #UKEdChat can I write tweets on there too or just read? RT @misshbond: 2 ppl I graduated with have left teaching already cos of enormous after school workload... -> Def a major issue! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu interesting as Gove seems to see teachfirst as the PGCE replacement #ukedchat @janwebb21 do you mean initial teacher training or the lack of subsequent training? #ukedchat This begs the question that people come into the teaching thinking it's an easy option? #ukedchat #ukedchat The majority that do leave have no exp of other life just uni then Teaching-having worked for 12 years b4 teaching I appreciate it @Catriona_O i being a teacher isn't what you do, it's what you are - quotas don't touch that! #ukedchat @deerwood both!!!! #ukedchat RT @deerwood: Perhaps because they're no longer treated like professionals < think this could be a factor #ukedchat @Creativeedu you can tweet from Twitterfall too for #ukedchat RT @colport: This begs the question that people come into the teaching thinking it's an easy option? #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory Me & you are spookily similar #ukedchat @john_at_muuua having worked in a school with teachfirst teachers, i would say NOT, they weren't good! #UKEdChat (they don't want to teach!) @Ideas_Factory some schools can be so stressful the teachers never recover and leave not just the school but the profession. #ukedchat Everyone's saying workload causes teachers to quit. Why do we do it? Didn't we discuss this few week's back? #ukedchat @colport @mr_chadwick I know coppers who've become teachers, works both ways. But what of experienced soldiers?#ukedchat @Ideas_Factory Some people in the profession do not appreciate the time outside teaching. #ukedchat #ukedchat often say that I love my job but nowadays you HAVE to know its what you want to do. You can't fall into this profession anymore! @john_at_muuua I wonder if anyone has experience of teachfirst and how it affects retention rates? #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat Of course they do-look at the 'working hours and the holidays' easy life ;^) @ianaddison Is it the workload or the lack of recognition for the work done? #ukedchat @janwebb21 No idea! As NQT I'm trying to find balance between working and spending time with my fella, let alone anything else! #ukedchat if soldiers are fit for teaching are we fit for Iraq? transferable skills?! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu so what DID they want to do?!?!!! #UKEdChat @john_at_muuua You trouble maker you ;-) #ukedchat My friend's done 6years, she's having a baby to have a year's break then going to quit to do 'anything else' cos she's shattered #ukedchat @janwebb21 Ofsted,sats, high level accountability, low level freedom, high level prescription, little creativity. #ukedchat RT @mr_chadwick: RT @deerwood: Perhaps because theyre no longer treated like professionals < think this could be a factor - Agree #ukedchat I'm in my 3rd yr of teaching. Previous career in retail mgmt & HR. don't think could cope with workload if this had been 1st job. #ukedchat RT @Smichael920: @janwebb21 Ofsted,sats, high level accountability, low level freedom, high level prescription, little creativity. #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: tech question - have been recommended twitterfall to follow #UKEdChat can I write tweets on there too or just read? @misshbond balance is always a challenge - whether new at it or not!!!! #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat Sorry should clarify I appreciate how lucky I am to be a teacher having worked in crappy jobs for 12 years @john_at_muuua @colport True. I recently had ex-police student teacher in my class (not the greatest!) #ukedchat @janwebb21 they saw teachfirst as a stepping stone that would beef up their CVs for when they went to work in the city. #UKEdChat #ukedchat teachfirst - the name itself implies you won't do it for the rest of your working life. @deerwood workload. I have 54 things on my to do list. Looking to work for at least 5days of Xmas 'holidays' #ukedchat #ukedchat!! not talking about quitting - I know loads who've come back as adult learners &feel like they're fightinging 4 every day.s work RT @ianaddison: My friend's done 6years, she's having a baby to have a year's break #ukedchat < you sure about that?! @CreativeEdu Throw a 1:1 degree in front of a class and they can instantly teach? seriously flawed theory behind that. #ukedchat @dailydenouement Teaching is my 1st 'proper' job, but its what ive always wanted 2 do so happy 2 put up with workload 4 vocation! #ukedchat I do think that people often think working with small children may be an easy option - and fun! Fun yes - easy no... #ukedchat @frogphilp #ukedchat Completely agree-more to do with SMT ineptitude-but yes staff dev does come under this.

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@colport @Ideas_Factory I made it out of industry in 2 years!!! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu what a shame? #UKEdChat trying to support my wife with her workload as Y5 teacher certainly opened my eyes - far too many tears and negative thoughts #ukedchat not convinced that working elsewhere before being a teacher is always a good thing, we need young teachers with fresh ideas too #ukedchat @janwebb21 Good thing is I can think about them and know at least I'm sticking with it! Amazing moments outweigh workload for me #ukedchat @philallman1 yes that's right. strikes me as good for the individual maybe but not good for the kids. #UKEdChat @Smichael920 @CreativeEdu so what teachfirst successes do we know about? #UKEdChat RT @ianaddison: Looking to work for at least 5days of Xmas 'holidays' #ukedchat couldnt agree more! It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a vocation & people only stay if it's in their heart to do so? #UKEdChat @john_at_muuua @ianaddison I think it's good not to paint teaching as rosy. Prospectives should know all the facts #ukedchat RT @misterel: ..... Great job, no day is the same, challenging, constantly learning, fun, good holidays & pretty secure #ukedchat @dailydenouement might make the job slightly easier if people understood more about the job - with respect comes understanding? #ukedchat RT @john_at_muuua: @mr_chadwick why do we need respect? Do we become teachers to be popular? :-) #ukedchat < because we're human beings @carolrainbow that could be a useful plan especially if schools have to start recruiting and training staff #ukedchat #ukedchat. don't know many teachers who joined only for money. Money + hols, different story....... RT @Reteach10: @Crosbiei completely agree - vocation is the key thing and in fact for me makes up for any lack of cash #ukedchat I do think trainees should be put into schools early and made to work, would help separate those that can't manage #ukedchat @ianaddison Yes I did too - some people are born to it - but I think others could learn if supported #ukedchat @mikemcsharry What do you meant by 'detailed clutter'? #PGCE #ukedchat @john_at_muuua does populairity = respect? I don't think so! #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory I'm sure that's part of it #ukedchat @janwebb21 never said necessarily (I'm in that crowd), but still, if that's the choice what would you want? old timer burntout?#ukedchat @john_at_muuua @mr_chadwick I think respect is just a general need in people's lives. It doesn't have to do with popularity #ukedchat

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RT @creativeedu: It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a vocation & people only stay if it's in their heart to do so? #UKEdChat @Smichael920 #ukedchat Agreed-boils down to crappy teacher training-I learnt more from my 4 teaching placements than I ever did from uni My ex-Head called a colleague 'Maverick', Ofsted gave him a commendation. Do some SMT's encourage 'maverick' innovators 2 leave? #ukedchat Is there a problem with people being pushed into the profession because there's a view that 'anyone can do it'? #ukedchat anyone who can make it through the crazy #PGCE year should find real teaching a doddle ;-) #UKEdChat I did all sorts jobs before 'returning to teaching'. I wonder how long I would be able to do it if had more than 13 years to go! #ukedchat RT @Catriona_O: #ukedchat. don't know many teachers who joined only for money. Money + hols, different story....... I suspect a lot of people enter the profession expecting to share their subject and educate, not to have to manage poor behaviour #ukedchat RT @alxr1: My ex-Head called a coll 'Maverick',. Do sum SMT's encourage 'maverick' innovators 2 leave? #ukedchat < yes they're threatened @CreativeEdu I don't think it eased off that much after my PGCE year #ukedchat It makes me smile when they say thank you for teaching me & have learned something new.Their happy faces make the difference.#ukedchat RT @philallman1: RT @alxr1: My ex-Head called a coll 'Maverick',. Do sum SMT's encourage 'maverick' innovators 2 leave? #ukedchat < yes they're threatened @mr_chadwick #ukedchat Defo different now-pupils valued and play a much more involved part in their edu-parents too @Ideas_Factory fair point but pay improves wiv responsibility in industry too. In teaching you may get responsibility without rise #ukedchat @philallman1 depends on the head, depends on the maverick! #ukedchat @john_at_muuua Agree with others, I don't want/need to be popular, but I deserve credit for the difficult and skilled job I do? #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: anyone who can make it through the crazy #PGCE year should find real teaching a doddle ;-) #UKEdChat #ukedchat RT @carolinebreyley #ukedchat Asking from Scotland - isn't it exp that teach 1st will move on 2 something else after couple of years? < yes! Clearly the challenge for leaders is to ensure that our staff have the right balance of challenge and support #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: @Smichael920 #ukedchat Agreed-boils down to crappy teacher training-I learnt more from my 4 teaching placements than I ever did from uni @Ideas_Factory I learned more in sandwich course placement than uni (a few yrs ago) - same but different #ukedchat @Crosbiei One of the hardest teaching years was my PGCE - opened my eyes. Is the PG harder than the B,Ed in that respect? #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @philallman1 depends on the head, depends on the maverick! #ukedchat< true - I like it! @janwebb21 do we become teachers for respect then?! both approaches are in need of psychotherapy. my point is they're irrelevant. #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory so is the way forward actually more peer mentoring schemes for new teachers? #ukedchat @colport I'd say no but as a BEd I'm biased ;) #ukedchat @cleverfiend so job of the PGCE courses to provide more realistic exp, help people see whether teaching is for them earlier on? #ukedchat My friends from uni were all on their second job within 5 years, why should teaching be different? #UKEdChat @alxr1 My HT, many years ago did, I introduced the internet to the school in 1995 - she and gave me freedom to experiment #ukedchat @deerwood no. At the moment it's Manage (as in 'cope' - just about get by) Lead, Teach. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu but can anyone really be fully trained after only 1 year? better to train everyone for 3 or 4 years? #ukedchat @colport I did PGCE, which was a crazy year, but just dont feel like ive stopped since then.Think BEd is slightly less stressful. #ukedchat @john_at_muuua we don't become teachers FOR respect but in order to do our jobs a certain amount of respect is essential! #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory same! Teaching profession has to be seen as a creative profession. That's part of teaching college role #ukedchat RT @Smichael920: @Ideas_Factory same! Teaching profession has to be seen as a creative profession. That's part of teaching college role #ukedchat @frogphilp I feel your pain #ukedchat A couple of ch thanked me for working with them today, They didn't need to, but it made me smile #ukedchat @Laura_987 The amount of 'homework' new teachers have to submit appears amazing. I'd have never got through that AFTER 4yrs uni #ukedchat RT @Missif: ths article suggests that it's dn 2 the (variable) quality of skool leadership http://j.mp/e6ufHc #ukedchat< all 2 oftn is Just poppingin. Moving to a new sch within 3 years can help keep the enthusiasm. #ukedchat @deerwood #ukedchat My pay is on a par with my bro who works for a bank.Only difference is he gets huge 10-20k performance related bonus RT @carolrainbow: @ianaddison Yes I did too - some people are born to it - but I think others could learn if supported #ukedchat I just don't think either popularity or respect is a reason for us to do this job. perhaps that's what makes people leave. #ukedchat @mikemcsharry @Laura_987 #ukedchat 'meaningless paperwork' @philallman1 I thought it may spark reactions like that! LOL! My B'Ed students don't realise the pace, IMHO #ukedchat (@Crosbiei ) RT @misshbond: RT @creativeedu: It strikes me from these tweets that teaching is a vocation & people only stay if it's in their heart to do so? #UKEdChat @deerwood I think teaching is like driving. Just because you've got your license doesn't mean you've stopped learning... #UKEdChat @deerwood 3 or 4 years could be NQT and RQT but that training isn't necessarily focused enough in day to day of school life #ukedchat @ianaddison YES, children and (some) parents can give the best rewards perhaps new teachers don't stay long enough to see that #ukedchat @john_at_muuua #ukedchat Rtention per se is not good. In fact one bbc HR chief aimed to increase "churn" to envigorate. Scary, but real. RT @Creativeedu: @deerwood I think teaching is like driving. Just because you've got your license doesn't mean you've stopped learning... #UKEdChat @Ideas_Factory With all the emphasis on our performance, should we get performance-related bonuses as well? #ukedchat Is it to do with society now? What was the time for teachers leaving 10 years ago? #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: we don't become teachers FOR respect but in order to do our jobs a certain amount of respect is essential! #ukedchat @misshbond @creativeedu isn't that the same for any job/profession! #UKEdChat @deerwood #ukedchat I'd like us to get paid hourly & keep a 'clock' on hours we actually work (like solicitors) we'd get a true pay/work @cleverfiend is there any connection between these? #ukedchat @Reteach10 I try to give my PGCE students a realistic experience in my school - and point out similarities/differences with others #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory @deerwood but I bet he gets less holiday? #UKEdChat @janwebb21 respect from whom? The original thought behind this was 'public/media'. Not children. Not parents. Not management. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu True .. very true ... but I'm sure many drivers got their licence free with cornflakes! #ukedchat @Crosbiei are there too many variables for performance related pay? i.e. the students themselves! #ukedchat @john_at_muuua What we need to do is teach teachers how to fill the needs for respect and popularity outside of the profession. #ukedchat What's different about us then? Why do we stay and love it? (and share ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0) #ukedchat RT @theotheralig: I did all sorts jobs before 'returning to teaching'. I wonder how long I would be able to do it if had more than 13 years to go! #ukedchat @Crosbiei How can you judge performance when it is all about the performance of children who do not fit a mould! #ukedchat@Ideas_Factory RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay and love it? (and share ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat RT @misshbond: I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0) #ukedchat @janwebb21 #ukedchat Way forward is for practising Teachers to teach graduates not has beens that having taught for years like to tnk I went into teaching 'cause that was my vocation and I wanted to make a positive difference in the lives of my pupils! #ukedchat #ukedchat Past 20 yrs has seen shift in expectation. We R seen far more as social workers, counsellors, panacea 4 societal ills than evr @Reteach10 But its usually seen as us not doing our job properly, rather than variance in pupils. #ukedchat @cleverfiend really good to hear - i am a mentor too. not sure the experience is consistent across the board for PGCErs #ukedchat RT @asober: like to tnk I went into teaching 'cause that was my vocation and I wanted to make a positive difference in the lives of my pupils! #ukedchat RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay and love it? (and share ideas at 8pm on Thurs night!!) #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory I'd like teachers to get Council Tax reduction if live in same LA as, in effect, they're paying their own wages #ukedchat @esoldaveglasgow interesting concept. but the problem is that school managers create the churn by bad management not planning #ukedchat @janwebb21 No I don't think so, some jobs you might do just for money or just for worklife balance etc #UKEdChat @philallman1 @mikemcsharry Oh yes, the paperwork is mental! #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: @deerwood Id like us to get paid hourly & keep a clock on hours we actually work then wed get a true pay/work #ukedchat RT @misshbond: I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0) #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice You cant. But so rarely is that individuality taken into consideration anyway! #ukedchat

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Performance Related Pay? How do we measure one teachers performance? SATs? Formative Assessment? Poisoned chalice #ukedchat Employment security is mostly very good in public sector, but this can allow a lack of rigour in appraising effectiveness. #ukedchat yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory isn't that the new model for ITT that is being proposed by gov? #ukedchat #ukedchat would be interesting to know if schools lose more teachers who trained via 1yr PGCE or 4yr BA/ B.Ed. Anyone know? @Crosbiei completely agree - FFT rules rather than a real understanding of the students themselves! #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it #ukedchat Maybe churn is a good thing, only the strong survive??? #UKEdChat @theteachinggame please explain that idea #ukedchat @colport Number of hours worked? #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it #ukedchat @janwebb21 Definitely. But we're a bit biased ;0) #ukedchat RT @Reteach10: @cleverfiend so job of the PGCE courses to provide more realistic exp, help people see whether teaching is for them earlier on? #ukedchat RT @deerwood: @Ideas_Factory I'd like teachers to get Council Tax reduction if live in same LA as, in effect, they're paying their own wages #ukedchat RT @deerwood Id like teachers to get Council Tax reduction if live in same LA as, in effect, - paying their own wages - Great idea #ukedchat RT @deerwood: @CreativeEdu but can anyone really be fully trained after only 1 year? better to train everyone for 3 or 4 years? #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: yesterday 90 KS1 ch had a skype chat with santa. Seeing the look on their faces made it all worthwhile. THAT is why we do it #ukedchat @JaneWoods3 what about SCITT to compare? #ukedchat RT @misshbond: I teach because I can inspire and watch children learn and achieve every day. I know sometimes it's hard work. But I'm staying :0) #ukedchat I did 2yrs at the LA, they wanted 9-5. I work 7:30tilwhenever, my timesheet looked a mess.... #ukedchat @deerwood #ukedchat That is genius idea-discounts for council services etc @Crosbiei It then begs the question of the quality of that work! #ukedchat RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat would be interesting to know if schools lose more teachers who trained via 1yr PGCE or 4yr BA/ B.Ed. Anyone know? @Catriona_O I think there is a link - good teachers don't plan explicitly for behaviour - they plan for the students #ukedchat @misshbond: possibly the only reason to teach! #ukedchat So could renegotiating terms and conditions of service help retain teachers? #ukedchat don't think teaching has embraced flexible working (it is difficult to adminster) but that is why some parents leave teaching #ukedchat #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly matters. Kids deserve the best & I try 2 make my skool a place whr they R 1st RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly matters. Kids deserve the best & I try 2 make my skool a place whr they R 1st Is there some connection between length of staying & type of training? Do lecturuers know what happens in sch? #ukedchat @colport vry tru. But then just b/c a class doesnt get gd overall SATs results, does that mean the teacher is doin a gd job? #ukedchat @politicsteacher #ukedchat I try to do this - call it 'the bubble' - sometimes 'reallife' bursts it! #ukedchat are people more likely to stay in the profession if there is a culture of shared practice in a school? peer mentoring etc? @janwebb21 #ukedchat Not sure about new ITT Jan-all I know is they need a complete overhall-Why teach Lit classics but no SEN procedures-mad @reteach10 Apart from all the idiots who think they want to because of the holidays! #ukedchat @politicsteacher technology certainly offers education that flexibility - perhaps introduced in 6th form before ks4/3 #ukedchat #ukedchat after 11 years teaching I was seconded to #LTS #consolarium. Great experience & gives fresh perspective on my own teaching. its got something to do with the mindset and dedicattion of the teacher #ukedchat @Crosbiei Precisely...no! There are too many variables #ukedchat RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly matters. < that's something we should all remember.. teachers or not @CreativeEdu Maybe churn is a good thing, only the committed, talented, inspired survive??? #ukedchat RT @deerwood: RT @philallman1: #ukedchat luv my job b/c I do something that rlly matters. < that's something we should all remember.. teachers or not Think before you post online http://bit.ly/hIGPLM #edchat #edtech #eduswe #ukedchat RT @bw_clark: #ukedchat after 11 years teaching I was seconded to #LTS #consolarium. Great experience & gives fresh perspective on my own teaching. @janewoods3 Good question... #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice my experience is that the lecturers of my PGCE students only left teaching recently - but in a few years... ?? #ukedchat #ukedchat Maybe with constant new initiatives 5 yrs is the point where new teachers figure it doesn't get any easier. RT @john_at_muuua: Maybe churn is a good thing, only the committed, talented, inspired survive??? #ukedchat <~Nicely put :-) @CHAR0ULA Shoudl we not aim to just get dedicated teachers into the profession. Isnt that pretty much vital to being a gd teacher? #ukedchat @CreativeEdu That can be true but I think a teacher needs to stay around for a while to see that, it's not an instant effect #ukedchat @misshbond can't help feeling that they don't understand the job or teacher's intentions #ukedchat #ukedchat same job in different LA's - does it have an effect - LA pressures? why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat @Reteach10 but some schools have that physically - we have that through this pln and #ukedchat!!! The year for Nqt's is an inverted bell where they start well, have a long dip then pull up again. Does it level out with years? #ukedchat #ukedchat i know a few teachers who joined for wrong reason. They felt it was last option cos no jobs available in original choice of career RT @john_at_muuua: why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat RT @john_at_muuua: why do we need teacher retention? #ukedchat< have you not seen the statistics? #ukedchat Variety is spice of life-more teachers would stay if limited time of 4 years per school was put into place RT @philallman1: #ukedchat same job in different LA's - does it have an effect - LA pressures? -> Or LA restrictions! #ukedchat left teaching twice but keep coming back. Miss the joy of working with the kids - but don't tell them I said that! RT @clivebuckley:RT @CreativeEdu: Maybe churn is a good thing, only the strong survive??? #UKEdChat Or those that cannot get work elsewhere! RT @Arakwai: Maybe with constant new initiatives 5 yrs on new teachers figure it doesnt get any easier. Very good point! #ukedchat @clivebuckley loving your cynicism! #UKEdChat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Variety is spice of life-more teachers would stay if limited time of 4 years per school was put into place RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat left teaching twice but keep coming back. Miss the joy of working with the kids - but don't tell them I said that! RT @mr_chadwick: What's different about us then? Why do we stay & love it? (& share ideas) #ukedchat to some it's a job, others a vocation @Ideas_Factory Wow, that would mix it up....like the idea #ukedchat @Tree_Of I know ppl who have been told to go into teaching becos they didnt know what else to do! #ukedchat @janwebb21 ah i work in a school where discussions are happening to question whether we need a staffroom anymore as no1 goes there #ukedchat #ukedchat secondment and paid sabbaticals were commonplace 30 years ago - did this keep people in the profession retention and time limiting - most have seen cons and pros of that- really KNOW your area etc vs. retired on job #ukedchat @Reteach10 Why don't they use staffroom? #ukedchat #ukedchat surely every teacher chooses teaching to make a difference, inspire, motivate and educate?!... #notsosure @Crosbiei And then there are others (like me) who fall into it by accident! #ukedchat @ianaddison #ukedchat Wouldn't work as too easily open to fraud etc @Ideas_Factory There's a lot to be said for that ... changing schools exposes you to new ideas and approaches #ukedchat @colport it works a bit like that in Japan.You just get moved by the powers that be when they need you elsewhere, you have no say! #UKEdChat @Reteach10 #ukedchat @guyshearer uses that sort of model witin his school @colport @ideas_factory #ukedchat I have a similar unspoken agreement with myself! @CreativeEdu #ukedchat I still get more holidays than him but even taking that into account he still earns more with Bonus #ukedchat Life is very hard for new teachers, suoervision, inspection. Drudgery and the notion of working very long hours @bevevans22 And has it turned out to be the right place for you? #ukedchat

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@TheHeadsOffice size of the site (nrly 0.25 miles between my rm & stfrm) & each dept has own office/stfrm. people just stay there #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory Interesting idea about variety. Not sure I totally agree with max term; what about secondment opps more available? #ukedchat @Missif I like that! We are learners too! We mustn't forget it, or we will stop striving for greater learning #ukedchat @Crosbiei @CreativeEdu It doesn't seem that easy here. Tough comp for jobs, and jobs set aside for known applicants #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice @Reteach10 I sat down in the staffroom for 2minutes today, first time in over a week #ukedchat @reteach10 Reckon they must make up a large majority of those who fall by the wayside within 5 years! #ukedchat #ukedchat Do some survive because they work in schools that suit their own education/social background? @colport @philallman1 I think it helped - people could go and do something different for a year - recharge batteries etc - ready to return #ukedchat #ukedchat Taking Variety a stage further-How about making teachers work at least once in an inner-city school before they've finished 10 yrs @ideas_factory but I bet you have a better sense of well being! #UKEdChat @Crosbiei Yes - but I am aware that I'm seen as 'not like the others'. Not that it's ever bothered me :) #ukedchat @colport #ukedchat Then u need to find a way to set urself apart from the rest of the 'rabble'! @alxr1 Oh yes...I have a few colleagues who have stayed and lives around the school for 10-15 years. Will not go! #ukedchat @carolrainbow that's my point carol. Do we get ground down and need time to remember why we're doing it? #ukedchat @mr_chadwick Like the idea of secondment. Often if the 'other side of the fence' is seen it makes things a little more objective #ukedchat RT @Tree_Of: #ukedchat surely every teacher chooses teaching to make a difference, inspire, motivate and educate?!... #notsosure @Missif I'm still learning after 21 years!!! it's attitude to new ideas etc that revives, refreshes, revitalises #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory I took a year out to help consult with ICT for private schools.Missed having my own class and single place of work. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu #ukedchat and I have the higher moral ground of course :^) @Crosbiei My point is, there are many hidden agendas with job adverts #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @Missif I'm still learning after 21 years!!! it's attitude to new ideas etc that revives, refreshes, revitalises #ukedchat @bevevans22 Thats good. Teachers who never planned to be teachers add a different dimension to the team! #ukedchat @colport not necessarily a good thing, you can get sent hundreds of miles away to a new school and just have to start a new life! #UKEdChat I think it helps to have a career break quite early on. I did 5 years then dud consultancy work for 3 years before returning #ukedchat #ukedchat I learn new things everyday. Someone will find out one day I don't have all the answers!!! #goingtogetfoundout #ukedchat @ianaddison I don't go in the staffroom unless there's a meeting there at the end of the day...#ukedchat RT @philallman1: #ukedchat I learn new things everyday. Someone will find out one day I don't have all the answers!!! #goingtogetfoundout #ukedchat @john_at_muuua Agree. I don't advocate churning, but it does take creative leadership to prevent complacency in staffrooms.#ukedchat @janwebb21 totally agree. Years in the job and I'm as fresh as yesterday but better experienced. #ukedchat @colport Very true. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu I thought it would happen within an agreed radius #ukedchat @reallara consultancy - #darkside #ukedchat :) RT @bevevans22: @ianaddison I don't go in the staffroom unless there's a meeting there at the end of the day...#ukedchat ditto Do people leave more now than they used to. A bit like how it's 'okay' to get divorced nowadays? #UKEdChat @GaryAveryICT #ukedchat But the change obviously made you realise that you enjoyed being at the chalkface-bingo! Think if i'd have carried on much longer at that point I'd have got disillusioned and left for good #ukedchat @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice good man -i am a big fan of 1 central staffroom. you share so many more ideas not just subject based! #ukedchat #ukedchat we need flexibility for teachers, 7 period days so you can earn days off, much less planning required as norm as well @philallman1 Yes I think you have hit on a very important point there - I had forgotten all about them -remember people enthused #ukedchat @john_at_muuua it's about being comfortable with being out of our comfort zone that helps us grow as professionals! #ukedchat @bevevans22 Some staffroom can just create negativity that does not help! #ukedchat @bevevans22 i go to get tea, but never have chance to sit down - i find break/lunch a great time to work #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory yep, got fed up suggesting things to do, wanted to try them myself.. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu that's ironic, did you know at one time (not too long ago) teachers were not allowed to get married? #ukedchat @mr_chadwick #ukedchat Love secondment idea-I did my NPQH placement in secondary-just to widen my exp & see if they did things differently @philallman1 consultancy=#darkside?! #ukedchat @jimbo9848 the google model of working is a brilliant one if it could be applied to teachers and teaching (impractical?) #ukedchat Govt assume loss of 25% of BEd trainees compared with 11% PGCE. (Not very recent data) #ukedchat @Joga5 Would that lose the personal approach that primary schools can offer? #ukedchat Perhaps teachers leave the profession because they discover there is life beyond school #ukedchat @ianaddison I love the idea that nonparents have that ayear with a baby is a break - some thongs we all have to learn the hard way #ukedchat Really important to change schools or have chance to observe in other schools. Need to see there are different approaches #ukedchat I don't teach but I moved out of education and back in again quite early on. The career break made me more motivated+fresh ideas #UKEdChat #ukedchat I began teaching degree at 18 yrs of age. First piece of advice i was given from a headteacher "dont smile till xmas".... RT @deerwood: Perhaps teachers leave the profession because they discover there is life beyond school #ukedchat< there is?! :) I am on secondment now and I have learnt a lot already 'cause I have time to reflect on my practice and Philosophy of learning #ukedchat @deerwood Is there? Where? #ukedchat ;-) #ukedchat -more than half way through and some tremendous points being made RT @RealLara: Really important to change schools or have chance to observe in other schools. Need to see there are different approaches #ukedchat staffrooms can really support teachers who are struggling though - keep them upbeat and offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat @reallara there is a movement to go on 'learning journeys' between schools. not sure if that is up and running in our lea yer #ukedchat @janwebb21 teacher training is continuous. Not just PGCE year. surely everyone therefore has the right to say 'no' and leave. #ukedchat @Tree_Of And did u manage it. I never have been able to get passed the 1st week. Love working with kids! #ukedchat @deerwood #ukedchat Even now relationships between colleagues is frowned upon and is still a sacking offence in some church schools RT @Tree_Of: #ukedchat < tempted to use a rude word here!>First piece of advice i was given from a headteacher "dont smile till xmas".... RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can really support teachers who are struggling though - keep them upbeat and offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat Easy xmas baubles for all ages.. http://bit.ly/fN0NpH #crafts #ukedchat #teachpreschool #artchat @deerwood really? why? #UKEdChat @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice Our's is too busy. I eat lunch in a quieter room . I can discuss/meet with no distractions #ukedchat RT @john_at_muuua: @janwebb21 teacher training is continuous. Not just PGCE year. surely everyone therefore has the right to say 'no' and leave. #ukedchat #ukedchat the only redeeming feature of over-inspection is weeding out teachers who have no true desire to inspire and actually educate! @CreativeEdu I've retired but still have to have at least a daily education fix! #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory Brilliant, that's the sort of thing I mean. Some may need more of a nudge though!! #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory I know ... oops! #ukedchat @asober Maybe 'secondments' should be made a requirement within teaching to help broaden pedagogy? #ukedchat @GaryAveryICT #ukedchat There is a certain freedom being a teacher! @jimbo9848 the google model of working is a brilliant one if it could be applied to teachers and teaching (impractical?) #ukedchat
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RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can support teachers who are struggling though - keep them upbeat & offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat <-true RT @sellyeve: loss of 25% of BEd trainees compared with 11% PGCE. #ukedchat > Are 18yr olds not as good at career decisions as 22yr olds? @john_at_muuua ALL have quality cpd experiences and support #ukedchat @CreativeEdu If they married they would not be able to give time to the job #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: RT @carolrainbow: staffrooms can support teachers who are struggling though - keep them upbeat & offer help, ideas etc #ukedchat <-true @deerwood I think they leave because they cannot balance life beyond school with life in school. #ukedchat work/life balance #ukedchat Hard Question? Why aren't yr lessons for the term all on the VLE and yr wiki on Jan 1st? Then you manage the learning. Are there any careers that compliment teaching - perhaps where we could see two way movement to aid recruitment & relieve pressure #ukedchat @bevevans22: @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice Ours was like the grave! pros & cons for each i suppose! the tas use it as an office now #ukedchat @mikemcsharry yes, I agree like a closed loop #ukedchat I am still where I started as a GTP 8 Years ago (minus the year out) #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory @deerwood good job it doesn't apply at our office, we're all married to each other! (I married in to be fair...) #UKEdChat Would schools welcome secondments? Is it 'manageable'? #ukedchat @mr_chadwick #ukedchat There's the rub-if a statutory thing teachers would have to do it-most dont like change and happy to stay & stagnate @colport that might be a good, but it needs to be linked to Learning and Teaching!?! Could it be on something not related to Ed? #ukedchat RT @alxr1: #ukedchat Do some survive because they work in schools that suit their own education/social background? @colport RT @TheHeadsOffice: Would schools welcome secondments? Is it 'manageable'? #ukedchat< yes if it was universal RT @TheHeadsOffice: Would schools welcome secondments? Is it 'manageable'? #ukedchat @Reteach10 We've had 'learning walks' but out of school hours so not as useful #ukedchat @TheHeadsOffice should teachers 'second' elsewhere? #ukedchat but are you 'normal' ;-) @TheHeadsOffice #UKEdChat factors affecting teachers' decisions to leave teaching http://bit.ly/g0NIHc #ukedchat @McDroll @ianaddison In a big school like mine there are up to 20/30 in there. People tend to sit in little groups anyway #ukedchat CPD - however it comes - with or without secondment is crucial though - lack of only leads to frustration #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Taking Variety a stage further-How about making teachers work at least once in an inner-city school before they've finished 10 yrs RT @GaryAveryICT: I am still where I started as a GTP 8 Years ago (minus the year out) #ukedchat try Tomorrow's Heads! @john_at_muuua excellent point! #ukedchat work/life balance is important and difficult for many teachers @reallara learning walks OUTSDIE SCHOOL HOURS - oxymoron surely? #ukedchat If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down to school ethos / environment #ukedchat @Crosbiei i refused to take the advice on board!! Its the worst advice i've ever heard #ukedchat @mikemcsharry I bet we will have to if outstanding schools take over struggling ones. #ukedchat @janwebb21 but at the same time everyone, no matter how highly skilled, has a right to leave. Forcing people to stay is worse #ukedchat @Tree_Of I completely agree! #ukedchat @reallara should be in school time to give msg of whole school development not just those who want to in their own time! #ukedchat RT @philallman1: @reallara learning walks OUTSDIE SCHOOL HOURS - oxymoron surely? #ukedchat RT @Reteach10: @ianaddison @TheHeadsOffice good man -i am a big fan of 1 central staffroom. you share so many more ideas not just subject based! #ukedchat RT @TheHeadsOffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down to school ethos / environment #ukedchat RT @TeacherTalks: @schoolduggery New blog-post: Is Michael Gove a control freak? http://bit.ly/eEBuRD #ukedchat Please read and RT if of interest RT @mooshtang: #ukedchat theories of learning etc. Having studied another degree subject can bring lots of skills and useful qualities #ukedchat I don't think it's fair when people criticise the PGCE. I did a psychology degree and have a good grounding in theories of .... RT @TheHeadsOffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down to school ethos / environment #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher you start being a poor one #ukedchat @Joga5 I think having 1 teacher is important in primaries to develop relationship...for parents and pupils. I take your point tho #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: RT @CliveBuckley: The day you start thinking you are a really good teacher you start being a poor one #ukedchat RT @colport: @Joga5 I think having 1 teacher is important in primaries to develop relationship...for parents and pupils. I take your point tho #ukedchat RT @TheHeadsOffice: If staffrooms can support or deter it must be down to school ethos / environment #ukedchat I thought you were my friend & promised not to tell! ;) A nursery child smiles on average 374 times per day. An adult.... 11 #ukedchat New Blog Post: It seems CPD is one of the issues here. As a CPD provider, how can I help? Very keen to.... #UKEdChat @TheHeadsOffice and school ethos etc is mostly down to the head and SMT - so much is on the shuolders of the leaders #ukedchat @NickiA10 I think PGCE and GTP give better idea of workload #ukedchat #ukedchat learning etc. Doing a diff undergrad deg can bring useful skills and qualities to teaching. BEd is not the only way! @CreativeEdu is this because some (not all) PGCE courses are too subject focused and don't take account of teaching as well? #ukedchat RT @carolrainbow: & skool ethos etc is mostly dn 2 the head & SMT - so much is on the shuolders of the leaders #ukedchat
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RT @asober: I am on secondment now and I have learnt a lot already 'cause I have time to reflect on my practice and Philosophy of learning #ukedchat RT @carolrainbow: @jimbo9848 Schools have inset days - but often they seem to be schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal training #ukedcha RT @Tree_Of: A nursery child smiles on average 374 times per day. An adult.... 11 #ukedchat >>> Agreed! #ukedchat @deerwood #ukedchat one of my old heads used to say 'if you stand still long enough everyone else will catch you up'

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@CreativeEdu @Mallrat_uk #ukedchat There were several ppl on my PGCE who shouldnt have been there! #ukedchat pgce courses massively oversubscribed and some are full by Feb each year Having to pop out of #ukedchat to pick up daughter from school disco. Thanks to all, and @janwebb21 for hosting. Archive up soon :-) RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat wld schools B more conducive 2 learning if HT'sr wr managers rather than promoted teachers?< NO! Need to u/s educ. RT @colport: Having to pop out of #ukedchat to pick up daughter from school disco. Thanks to all, and @janwebb21 for hosting. Archive up soon :-) @GaryH2UK Love it! I must remember that! #ukedchat @Crosbiei so did they eventually see the light and leave? #ukedchat RT @GaryH2UK: @deerwood #ukedchat one of my old heads used to say 'if you stand still long enough everyone else will catch you up' Dreadful! @creativeedu #ukedchat also NQT year is too easy to pass! fellow teacher failed 2 out of 3 obs in final term and still passed! Is it a problem to be taught until 21, then instantly go into teaching - may leave as just fed up of the classroom? #UKEdChat #ukedchat Change is only good if the change is for the right reasons-Not good if changing the whole curric cos it wasn't a tory idea Will recession attract more into the profession? Will they all be here in 5yrs? #ukedchat RT @GaryH2UK: @deerwood #ukedchat 1 of my old heads used to say 'if you stand still long enough everyone else will catch you up' -love that I'm still not sure ITT prepares well enough for the interpersonal and relationship skills that are key to teaching today #ukedchat @john_at_muuua #ukedchat No. Some were however kicked out when they couldnt actually teach! thanks for a great evening playing devil's advocate. best wishes to you all. #ukedchat RT @mr_chadwick: Will recession attract more into the profession? Will they all be here in 5yrs? #ukedchat < yes to 1st No to 2nd RT @jowinchester: #ukedchat srcondments should not be in schools we rusk an overly insular & naval-gazing outlook if we've never seen anything outside school @headteacher01 other advantage: provides change of scene where you are not talking about specific students but specific cpd needs #ukedchat RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Would schools be more conducive to learning if head teacher were managers rather than promoted teachers? I agree RT @john_at_muuua: thanks for a great evening playing devil's advocate. best wishes to you all. #ukedchat< surely not ;) @CliveBuckley a very cynical reply, Clive!!!!! #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Change is only good if the change is for the right reasons-Not good if changing the whole curric cos it wasn't a tory idea @Crosbiei @creativeedu #ukedchat yep several quit ours, but a few passed even though not great teachers! @Crosbiei damn. there goes my theory of retention. :-( #ukedchat @philallman1 #ukedchat But isnt a head's job to manage the staff and utilise their expertise in educating? Re Heads discussion. I for one would LOVE to be a head but would HATE to be a teacher... #UKEdChat @Crosbiei #ukedchat Good q-many of the academies have managers from outside edu-some work others fail. Not conclusive @john_at_muuua :-) that made me smile. Damnit. may have gone beyond my daily quota #UKEdChat @siavogel So Netherlands has problems keeping teachers too? #ukedchat RT @JaneWoods3: #ukedchat Maybe teachers should all spend a year working in ITT every 5 years or so. <- great idea. I'd love to do that RT @CreativeEdu: I for one would LOVE to be a head but would HATE to be a teacher... #UKEdChat < Would that make you a good Head? RT @mr_chadwick: Will recession attract more into the profession? Will they all be here in 5yrs? #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat But is that down to the person or their background? RT @Mallrat_uk: @Crosbiei @creativeedu #ukedchat yep several quit ours, but a few passed even though not great teachers! RT @carolrainbow: @jimbo9848 Schools have inset days - but often they seem to be schoolwide when maybe teachers need very specific personal training #ukedcha @carolrainbow teachers need personalised learning just like the children do! #ukedchat #ukedchat 80%of HTs love the job, 80% of SLTs don't want it. Funny messages there. @CreativeEdu @Crosbiei disagree, heads need to understand how children learn in order to ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat @CreativeEdu @Crosbiei hmm, isn't part of the problem that heads and teachers are no longer seen as part of the same profession #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley The day u start thinking u are a really good teacher u start being a poor one #ukedchat >> good point http://bit.ly/hwKwQ3 @Ideas_Factory brings us back 2 original question. Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! 4got #ukedchat! @reallara lecturer in my HE coll did this with local Head of Hums - worked really well. #ukedchat @mikemcsharry @philallman1 I do a pretty mean lesson on composing using just a piece of A4 scrap paper! #ukedchat RT @headteacher01: disagree, heads need to understand how children learn in order to ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat < yep! @Crosbiei #ukedchat Prob a bit of both-an academic did a study of successful HT-to see if common denominators-none were found! RT @reallara: @mikemcsharry @philallman1 I do a pretty mean lesson on composing using just a piece of A4 scrap paper! #ukedchat< can't wait! @janwebb21 Absolutely - with support and followup to move them forward #ukedchat #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in excellent cpd RT @Smichael920: @Ideas_Factory brings us back 2 original question. Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! 4got #ukedchat! #ukedchat Cant heads just be people who maximise teachers' potential to develop their pupils? Cant this be done just by talking to teachers? RT @jimbo9848: #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in excellent cpd <- you're not wrong RT @jimbo9848: #ukedchat I see a lot of teachers here engaging in excellent cpd Many thanks to @janwebb21 for hosting this #ukedchat session. #ukedchat returns after Christmas break on 6th January. Happy Christmas RT @philallman1: RT @headteacher01: HTs need 2 understand how chn learn 2 ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat >Is that teaching? @Crosbiei no - I go to the butchers each week but I don't suggest how he should cut my meat for me! #ukedchat @Ideas_Factory @Smichael920 I am sure it does not help!! RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Heads are not a separate race, some are better than others at talk @Crosbiei #ukedchat Yep that's the Coaching model @mr_chadwick I manage and lead well, I am good with children, I just wouldn't like to teach. I think I'd be a good head #UKEdChat @korlingsord Half of boys, age five, 'struggling in basics' http://bbc.in/hfj1vd /via @bbcnews #edchat #ukedchat #ukedchat Is it just me, or does the hour from 8-9 go very quickly? I can't believe it's 9pm already!!! thanks to everyone for a most interesting #ukedchat this week! so many interesting points it's been ... More formal mentoring/buddy system across schools throughout careers as wanted/needed might help. Virtually?#ukedchat #ukedchat impending changes to curriculum mean nothing - doing what you can to engage children, this changes every day! RT @TheHeadsOffice: HTs need 2 understand how chn learn 2 ensure that this is what is happening #ukedchat >Is that teaching?< no its leading #ukedchat hard to keep up with everyone! #ukedchat In my LEA there have been regular redundancies over the last 5 years :-( Newish teachers are vulnerable and may find other careers Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus! #ukedchat! >hard to walk on shifting sand Wow - that was the fastest hour of my life! So many good points raised. Thanks all :0) #ukedchat @philallman1 #ukedchat But does he ask u how u would like your meat cut? Its all about collaboration. RT @Crosbiei: #ukedchat Cant HT be ppl who max teachers' potential to develop their pupils? Cant this be done by talking to teachers?>YES! @ukedchat What no #ukedchat till after xmas Boo!Might have to an unofficial one next thursday ;^) RT @ukedchat: Many thanks to @janwebb21 for hosting this #ukedchat session. #ukedchat returns after Christmas break on 6th January. Happy Christmas #ukedchat @janwebb21 well done you! Another fast and furious #ukedchat Happy Christmas everyone - thanks for all 2010 #ukedchats Thanks to @janwebb21 for hosting this session - see you 6th Jan :-) #ukedchat @janwebb21 thanks for a great #UKEdchat. Fantastic as ever! #ukedchat thanks all and a happy christmas many thanks & especially to @janwebb21. #ukedchat Thankyou @janwebb21 and one and all for a most brilliant #ukedchat I swear they're getting better... @jimbo9848 #ukedchat Isnt the ability to communicate and work with teachers necessary to be a head? #ukedchat thanks all - as ever - really great!

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@McDroll schools, government, LAs, Daily Mail care about policies ... who cares about children? #ukedchat RT @alxr1: "Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus!" #ukedchat! >hard to walk on shifting sand RT @alxr1: "Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus!" #ukedchat! >hard to walk on shifting sand RT @CreativeEdu: @mr_chadwick I manage/lead well, Im good with children, wouldn't like 2 teach. Think I'd be a good head #UKEdChat>Thats me! @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseI'malosertoo #UKEdChat #ukedchat you're all very welcome!! have a fantastic Christmas everyone and look forward to joining @Joga5 at the first new year #ukedchat! RT @alxr1: "Maybe government meddling in Ed is the route of the exodus!" #ukedchat! >hard to walk on shifting sand RT @Joga5: Hey I just seen it is me doing the first #ukedchat of 2011. What do you want to talk about then?< Hogmanay or Hootenay? :) @janwebb21 Many thanks. Apologies for being late & only dipping in! #ukedchat #ukedchat Actually I think it's ridic to say only ppl trained in 'education' should teach. Think of the value of musicians, artists, RT @CreativeEdu: @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseImalosertoo #UKEdChat @LiamConway there is more than one flaw! #ukedchat RT @Crosbiei: @jimbo9848 #ukedchat Isnt the ability to communicate and work with teachers necessary to be a head? >No its essential! #ukedchat teacher training lessons 1,2 and 3 ( to misquote clint Eastwood) - improvise, adapt, overcome. @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Thanks. That was the word I was looking for! RT @CreativeEdu: @Ideas_Factory I'm up for that #becauseI'malosertoo #UKEdChat >I'm not busy next Thurs either! ;) #ukedchat scientists, mathematicians, film makers, linguists, psychologists, mathematicians, english grads etc could bring to the table @CreativeEdu I'm sure YOU would. Think opening up Headship in that way could be slippery slope. #ukedchat #ukedchat thanks to everyone for a really good discussion - first and definitely not the last time. mind stewing with ideas. merry xmas @Reteach10 @misshbond #ukedchat and many thanks to all those new to #ukedchat for joining us! Best #ukedchat yet. (Although I've only done a few) Really great discussion. Thanks @janwebb21 et al A PGCE frm a good institution IS enough training to teach. You learn more on the job once you are there after any training course #ukedchat @mr_chadwick I agree - def one of the best #ukedchat! and there was me thinking everyone would be out at Christmas parties!!! RT @Ideas_Factory: @mikemcsharry unofficial official non-ukchat next Thursday then (isn't that just like 'normal' twitter..) #ukedchat forgot how enjoyable #ukedchat is.I havent attended for ages.Thank you all.Thank you @janwebb21 @janwebb21 I agree - def one of the best #ukedchat! and there was me thinking everyone would be out at Christmas parties!!!< #sadpeople @CHAR0ULA I forgot how fast it goes when moderating!!!! #ukedchat @NickiA10 LOL! considering we had ours last night, I think I did well to stay awake for #ukedchat!!!! @janwebb21 Thanks Jan...really interesting debate tonight! #ukedchat @mooshtang #ukedchat Training is def not enough, know many people who trained in a top uk uni last 5 yrs and not made it past 2 years in sch @mooshtang totally agree. I'm beginning 2 think that schools are not the best place for children to learn about the real world. #ukedchat Top ten blog posts (and the rest..) http://ow.ly/3qsVA