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status It's just 5 minutes before tonight's #ukedchat. Get comfy! Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? @Creativeedu thought the blog today on engaging parents was very inspiring. #ukedchat It's nearly time for #ukedchat hosted by @bevevans22 - Please remember to use the hash tag #ukedchat for your tweets to be archived. @bevevans22 will be with you as soon as we've eaten!! #ukedchat #ukedchat 2 minute warning ..places please. Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this evening Got the Ales in for tonight! #ukedchat mixed ale makes me bad. Same drink usually fine if I choose well. Make of it http://yfrog.com/h09bvij RT @ukedchat: Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this evening @JOHNSAYERS very nice selection - tried a few Ilkley beers recently - all very good! #ukedchat Keeping one eye on #ukedchat tonight but am completing a job application so unlikely to be able to join in much. Probably chip in sometimes! @dannynic @JOHNSAYERS im going for a very fine 30yr old malt tonight for #ukedchat @dailydenouement good luck with the application. hope it's groovy. #ukedchat Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. We're discussing Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? So let's begin.. It's 8pm on Thursday evening. Please join @bevevans22 now for #ukedchat Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best ? RT @ukedchat: Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this evening ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and say neither and both. one system does not fit all. #ukedchat What are your thoughts on tonight's topic? any strong views one way or the other? Remember to use #ukedchat hashtag in your tweets! we like to be flexible. mixed ability at times, and change at various times in the year for specific purposes. #ukedchat #ukedchat there is a place for both in education, but which is best is a sticky question RT @john_at_muuua: ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and say neither and both. one system does not fit all. #ukedchat > agreed do mixed ability classes allow to top gifted pupils room to extend themselves or are they held back? #ukedchat I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat If you believe in mixed ability it will work for you, if you believe in sets they will work for you #ukedchat @john_at_muuua I'd agree - think there are good arguments for both if circumstances are right do others feel differently? #ukedchat #ukedchat Neither approach benefits all learners - I think the research shows broadly similar overall outcomes? if you're teaching in a system that you don't believe works (either sets or mixed) then it won't #ukedchat Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat Oooo, can be an awkward topic RT @ukedchat Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this eve Chatting to someone who wants to be a Chinese teacher. Anyone know what demand for them is like and any schools teaching it? #ukedchat Evening all! I'm not sure there is a one size fits all solution to this question #UKEdChat RT @narthernlad: I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat I think subject is a factor, but why so? Any particular subjects? Very interested in tonights #ukedchat - I'm not a fan of mixed ability groups, I dont see them being fair on the kids. Personally. @hairysporran they are held back! Not many TA's for g&t children #ukedchat there is no good substitute for good quality mixed ability teaching #ukedchat #ukedchat The research I've read suggests #gifted learners tend to do better in sets; lower achievers better in mixed ability settings @narthernlad I agree. Currently streaming in Maths and pupils responding very positively #ukedchat have a Y11 strictly set to study poetry. Y10 mixed by the prose text. Y9 mixed for behaviour. Y8 grouped by relationships #ukedchat @bevevans22 v. Interesting topic. Was at the heart of recent bbc programme on mobility. Would ability sets help this? #ukedchat Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat @bevevans22 I think sets work best in subjects like numeracy, where as they dont work as well in literacy! #ukedchat I'll try that again! Primary classes are mainly 'mixed' ability, but don't we 'set' within our classroom #ukedchat #ukedchat in secondary, on the #ukedchat there is no such thing as putting students in sets - just narrowing the ability range - they are still individuals with own skills tried an interesting approach in ict grouped pupils according to the speed they work at in yrs 7,8. results are looking good #ukedchat RT @clivebuckley: Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat <- Interesting. I think a mixture of both approaches works best, sometimes mixed ability, sometimes setting #ukedchat i think it's different for primary and secondary set classes so much easier to pitch to. Mixed get some firing ahead some lag behind. Mind can inspire make oracle leaders/trainers #ukedchat #ukedchat it depends on the range of ability in the group, a lot of bright pupils can encourage a few weaker ones I have found that even with sets, there is still a range in ability. #ukedchat @philallman1 sorry, but I disagree. different times, students, topics and staff call for different approaches. #ukedchat RT @missbrownsword If you believe in mixed ability it will work for you, if you believe in sets they will work for you #ukedchat @philallman1 Why so? My son was educated in ability settings and found it suited him. Daughter mixed ability (diff school) & happy #ukedchat It depends what the AIM is. Are we looking only at attainment? #UKEdChat Setting raises the attainment of the top sets at the expense of the self-esteem, confidence and life chances of the bottom sets #ukedchat @tj007 Yes - we have found that where I work too #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: do mixed ability classes allow top gifted pupils room to extend themselves? #ukedchat < they can help teach others? @chris_1974 not sure it's a matter of belief, but evidence. #ukedchat I need to get a life. When talking about a computer game today, I called it 'Code of Practice' rather than 'Call of Duty' #SEN #ukedchat We used to set for Lit and Num, now just for Num. I love teaching own class, and great LAchn get to hear good discussn and lang #ukedchat For me, for maths, I'm a strong fan of sets. My team feel same. #ukedchat It's more a lovely idea than a realisable one but we need to treat learners as individuals #ukedchat #ukedchat The Tories had promoting setting in their manifesto but it didn't survive the Coalition - conflict with autonomy message.... @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation - and they do! #ukedchat #ukedchat a lot of disengaged pupils will destroy a more able pupil RT @ianaddison: What is #ukedchat? Let my blog post explain it for you http://ianaddison.net/?p=288 RT @GiftedPhoenix: #ukedchat Neither benefits all learners - I think research shows broadly similar outcomes? Would be grt to see research Definitely. Yr 10 Set 2 tragets range from C to A RT @tj007: I have found that even with sets, there is still a range in ability. #ukedchat @ianpocock That's a tough one to call. What are your thoughts on it? #ukedchat RT @cleverfiend: @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation - and they do! #ukedchat @chris_1974 my Y11 have been grouped for 'arrogance' levels. some are A* and some think they are. now they are living the dream! #ukedchat only maths has shown actual improvement year on year across a myriad of settings in primary from all research I've read #ukedchat in my old school mixed and high end kids helped low ability. Parents complained, low end saw it as spoon feeding took liberty #ukedchat RT @cleverfiend: @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation - and they do! #ukedchat RT @tj007: I have found that even with sets, there is still a range in ability. #ukedchat Some schools don't have the choice about setting, my daughters primary school has very small classes and mixed Year groups #ukedchat RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged pupils will destroy a more able pupil <- sad but can be true We have decided to go for phonics ability sets across entire fs/ks1 so that all chn work at own pace and already seeing benefit #ukedchat What about setting but with students of different ages but similar ability - anyone tried it? #UKEdChat Are we talking about subject achievement or social achievement? #ukedchat Mind low end books were much better and showed greater peer marking so achieved better. High end lower achievers in mixed #ukedchat @fkelly Yes I agree - and the overall benefits more or less balance the disbenefits #ukedchat #ukedchat Local secondary has setted form groups as well as subject lessons - OTT? #ukedchat Think research actually points to mixed being slightly worse for brightest but overall average better. Greater good? Social mob? Maths is too diverse a subject to set in. You might be a high flyer in shape but poor in calculation for example. #ukedchat @Creativeedu Not tried it but cant see why it wouldn't work! #UKEdChat

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@CliveBuckley in some cases both go hand in hand #ukedchat #ukedchat The received wisdom is that setting fits better with 'linear' subjects like maths and science? Are sets mainly a KS3 and 4 thing? are most mixed ability classes in primary? We are primary & have sets although school is large #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged pupils will destroy a more able pupil <- sad but can be true RT @Creativeedu: What about setting but with students of different ages but similar ability - anyone tried it? #UKEdChat #ukedchat Some pupils will respond to having MA peers. But some sit back and let MA kids do all work. A range of approaches needed I think @creativeedu I've always found this an interesting idea but never actually seen it in action. #ukedchat @GiftedPhoenix so how would it work in English? #ukedchat RT @cleverfiend: @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation - and they do! #ukedchat RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat Local secondary has setted form groups as well as subject lessons - OTT? Sounds rather bizarre... http://eprints.ioe.ac.uk/1139/1/Boaler2000Students631.pdf #ukedchat #ukedchat I used to take academic highflyers for 'failure lessons'. This unabled 'middles' to take more of a lead. It was a win-win scenario All too often I've seen disengaged or disruptive pupils monopolise teacher or TA time. #ukedchat @Creativeedu think the challenge is to find a way to break the cycle of the poorest children can compete with the richest #ukedchat @GaryAveryICT We can't set easily as a special school and the extremes of some groups can be 5 levels apart. We differentiate! #ukedchat RT @mooshtang: Maths is too diverse a subject to set in. You might be a high flyer in shape but poor in calculation for example. #ukedchat RT @ianaddison: What is #ukedchat? Let my blog post explain it for you http://ow.ly/3PPwQ
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how about the children's view? In streamed classes do they live up (or down)to the perceived expectation? Can this limit progress? #ukedchat @jackieschneider but I did find it liberating to be surrounded by those of similar abilty and not to be left behind #ukedchat @colport @john_at_muuua I feel that some pupils have low expectations based on which set they're in but not all #ukedchat - it's tricky @missbrownsword thought so. My maths dept said the same. so when my daughter was born we made sure we had loads of clocks! #ukedchat @bevevans22 @bevevans22 #ukedchat it's the gaps that concern me about that, too #ukedchat Whether mixed aged or not, in my experience, the average KS2 classroom has got a wide range of abilities anyway. #ukedchat @jackieschneider big time demotivator keeping it varied is so so important #ukedchat Quite often bottom groups in secondary end up as 'sink groups' - is this acceptable and what do you do about it? #ukedchat @bevevans22 We have been looking at effect if some children 'yoyoing' between sets. Not good #ukedchat #ukedchat A critical factor in the equity argument is which sets get the best teachers! mix across year groups. age difference but same ability. we thought it would not work but its been quite effective. #ukedchat @bevevans22 That's what we found - HA ch who moved up missed curric and it didn't work . Issues around LA ch self esteem also. #ukedchat @hrogerson I don't think it makes teaching easier as within a set you still have a wide range of abilties to differentiate to. #ukedchat RT @mooshtang: Maths is too diverse a subj to set in. ...a high flyer in shape but poor in calculation for eg. #ukedchat -cognitive ability? @KS1_teacher Do you find it inspires and encourages the LA pupils? #ukedchat I work in a mixed ability organisation :-) (Most are smarter than me!) #ukedchat @bucharesttutor @bevevans22 but why should higher set not get attention? that's what happens!#ukedchat @CliveBuckley have it queued up and ready to go..... thank you will watch it later though or I'll never follow #UKEdChat! RT @hrogerson: #ukedchat Does setting make teaching easier? < Easier maybe but is it better? @cleverfiend we also have one top set in English Year 10, and four middle. no sink groups. #ukedchat For those just joining #ukedchat - welcome. We're discussing Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? We only set for maths in year 5/6 #ukedchat RT @Jokprice: @bucharesttutor @bevevans22 but why should higher set not get attention? that's what happens!#ukedchat that's a really good point @RealLara #UKEdChat RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat "setted form groups as well as subject lessons - OTT? we set forms in KS4 but options are mix Mixed or set. The most important thing is creativity and risk otherwise it is easy to stereotype into a rut and progress stalls #ukedchat @hrogerson probably but you then get stuck in a rut.. e.g only can teach more able , no experience with less able.. #ukedchat @richardsw16 not easier, but sometimes makes life seem that way if you're lazy #ukedchat @janwebb21 Yes possibly after time. Need to be very good at A4L to be aware of gaps - particularly with ch moving sets. #ukedchat #ukedchat Within set classes, ch still have option to choose own tasks and move from grp to grp. Set classes still have different levels! RT @CreativeEdu: @CliveBuckley have it queued up and ready to go. #UKEdChat! It 9http://bit.ly/8YZIV6) is challenging! @trees2066 And what happens when those HA children get to Y6 and have already been in the Y6 maths set? #ukedchat Where do they go? So do you think the better teacher (more experienced..) should teach more able or less able??? #ukedchat Who benefits more from mixed ability, more able or less able - or those in the middle? #UKEdChat @mooshtang I'll often ask chn to pair up less and more confident to support each other with a new concept. #ukedchat We tried sets which were reviewed with pupils fortnightly. Pupils were motivated to move 'up' a group. #ukedchat @HilGibb but that isn't setting w/ a label. In my place parents use it as a badge of honour which mkes it counter prodctive 4 kids #ukedchat @philallman1 exactly. I had mid grp last yr, no ideas but can write. Now got LAPs - great ideas, struggle 2write, defo easier!!!!#ukedchat @bevevans22 That's the same for HA ch in mixed classes as well - need pushing - broader, wider deeper!! #ukedchat @jackieschneider @mooshtang But do you think there is movement often enough. How often should setting be reviewed? #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: Who benefits more from mixed ability, more able or less able - or those in the middle? #UKEdChat @trees2066 quality afl key to it - but need to have that flexibility so children aren't "labelled" and kept in inappropriate set! #ukedchat One thing that 'stopped' our class ability tables was introducing learning partners.. Children help each other more now. #ukedchat @trees2066 after all, progress not usually linear! #ukedchat @cleverfiend project work getting speakers in who didn't have any quals and being outside helps so much and varied of recording #ukedchat @CreativeEdu need much more inventive thinking. sets can be much more precise than just 'ability' #ukedchat @Jokprice attention is automatically given to the higher set when we keep raising their bar for higher altitudes #ukedchat Is there a risk with setting that teachers may not see the need to differentiate as thoroughly? #UKEdChat #ukedchat too often HoDs place better teacher with top set when middle sets with widest ability range need best teachers @kiwiteacheruk From an equity perspective the best teachers should be with the lower sets? #ukedchat @Creativeedu I find the low chn tend to get left behind even on the fairly basic stuff teaching the rest of the class. #ukedchat RT @GaryAveryICT: One thing that 'stopped' our ability tables - introducing learning partners.. Children help each other more now. #ukedchat Q? How has 'league tables' shifted the playing field? #ukedchat @CreativeEdu absolutely. hence traditional 'setting' is lazy. #ukedchat @cleverfiend that's def the challenge, perhaps not about saying setting is bad per se but how to stop bottom groups left behind? #ukedchat @GaryAveryICT peer scaffolding is really important - is it more effective with smaller differences between kids? #ukedchat @KS1_teacher By ability. Struggling with some LA pupils, and now wondering to put them with HA pupils. Will this encourage them!! #ukedchat @janwebb21 Defo... We had genuine self-esteem issues with ch seeing resources with lower years on. Had to ensure they're removed #ukedchat #ukedchat if you are teaching GCSE you would still want to split by higher/foundation? RT @JOHNSAYERS: Mixed or set. The most important thing is creativity and risk otherwise it is easy to stereotype into a rut and progress stalls #ukedchat RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat too often HoDs place better teacher with top set when middle sets with widest ability range need best teachers - true 5 grade GCSE at C or above... #ukedchat @kiwiteacheruk in my school the best teacher taught french to the second set. They outperformed the top set in the end! #UKEdChat If only there was a feasible way of differentiating *every* task acc. to children's skills so groups would never need to exist. #ukedchat @KS1_teacher My concern is that they will let the HA pupils do all the work and thinking!!! #ukedchat @bucharesttutor not when you have a wide ability who can't do! No support LA always win or they do nothing!#ukedchat RT @squiggle7: I find the low chn tend to get left behind even on the fairly basic stuff teaching the rest of the class. #ukedchat too true @CliveBuckley why are the middle disadvantaged? #UKEdChat I have lots of reading buddies in my class it works really well #ukedchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat I think there has to be regular review and scope for movement between sets. don't you? @hrogerson hmmmm... we have 83% higher. foundation becomes a small group with about 4 teachers. #ukedchat @mooshtang I think that's how it would work best too but maybe it's a little confusing or difficult to implement? #ukedchat RT @CreativeEdu: @CliveBuckley why are the middle disadvantaged? #UKEdChat Lots of research shows that @janwebb21 can't say it is in my opinion. The more able tend to be able to help the LA introduce their own ideas. #ukedchat @janwebb21 And you can't overestimate the power of holistic classteaching, particularly at KS1 with cross-curric etc. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu #ukedchat do staff differentiate to a mixed ability class? RT @GiftedPhoenix: @bevevans22 #ukedchat I think there has to be regular review and scope for movement between sets. don't you? <-yes! @GaryAveryICT that sounds really interesting .... sounds like one for me to beg you to write a blog post for me about! #UKEdChat @trees2066 #ukedchat problem is there isn't one simple answer #ukedchat we are kidding ourselves if we really think that we set by ability. We use all sorts of cues some as neatness , willingness .... RT @trees2066: @janwebb21 And you can't overestimate the power of holistic classteaching, particularly at KS1 with cross-curric etc. #ukedchat @john_at_muuua how do you mean exactly? #UKEdChat Verkar som att nivågrupperingarnas vara eller icke vara är en stor debatt i skolorna i Storbritannien #ukedchat @mjowchs: #ukedchat often HoDs place better teacher with top set when middle sets with widest ability range need best teachers - true -yup Low end sets risk is to dish out low end thinking skills and that increases boredom/lowers motivation = behaviour issues and a rut #ukedchat #ukedchat setting and other class organisation is a 20th Century way of fitting learners into economic groups - discuss RT @CreativeEdu: @CliveBuckley why are the middle disadvantaged? #UKEdChat Focus is on "higher and lower achievers" (hate that descrip)

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RT @janwebb21: @trees2066 #ukedchat problem is there isn't one simple answer <- there never is - would be nice if there was... @john_at_muuua #ukedchat Agreed- there are many other alternatives that can be explored - including the vertical grouping idea #ukedchat RT @janwebb21: @trees2066 #ukedchat problem is there isn't one simple answer (Amen!) does anyone teach in a really small school? I went to a school with only 2 classes, KS1 & KS2, that's a huge challenge #ukedchat #ukedchat many of our more able pupils will take the 'easier' differentiated work rather than rise to a challenge @hrogerson #ukedchat maybe mixed for teaching/learning and streamed for pre-exam revision? I've tried mixed ability revision and it sucks. RT @OhLottie: @mooshtang Setting for phonics has had a positive impact at ours. Not that I teach it, but I am told :) #ukedchat <- how so? RT @squiggle7: Sign up now to Teachmeet Midlands Sat 19th Feb 1pm-4.30pm loads of fabulous ideas sharing and amazing prizes to be won. #tmm11 #ukedchat @CliveBuckley but why? It just seems a little odd! #UKEdChat @CreativeEdu #ukedchat That can be a temptation - but as others have said, differentiation within a set is still needed @JOHNSAYERS I have bottom set maths - they just need to be taught using concrete resources. Wouldn't say they are affected by it. #ukedchat @bevevans22 @janwebb21 Answer is, if children are happy, confident and making gd progress then ur groupings are probably working! #ukedchat @trees2066 @bevevans22 #ukedchat I have to say I would want completely mixed for everything - except poss maths! @CreativeEdu just 'ability' is too blunt. what of aspiration, friendship, behaviour or ethnicity? #ukedchat RT @trees2066: @bevevans22 @janwebb21 Answer is, if children are happy, confident and making gd progress then ur groupings are probably working! #ukedchat No easy solutions but lots of discussion #ukedchat - Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? where does meta-cognition figure into this? If classes are set, then surely meta-cogntion needs to be developed as a priority? #ukedchat I would hope so..... @hrogerson #UKEdChat (but good question! we certainly teach lots of courses on it!) @mjowchs #ukedchat Yes - in some schools it seems like the senior teachers/HoD automatically take the top sets? @KS1_teacher I have kind of tried with one boy, but worry about his confidence working around HA pupils! Persisting though #ukedchat @trees2066 LOL! #ukedchat #ukedchat my GP is insisting that we have group consultations, all people with tonsillitis to attend at the same time - cost effective RT @janwebb21: @trees2066 @bevevans22 #ukedchat I have to say I would want completely mixed for everything - except poss maths! Agreed. ÔÇ£@didactylos: #ukedchat setting and other class organisation is a 20th Century way of fitting learners into economic groups - discussÔÇØ Yes! Where setting exists, how fluid are they. Do kids tend to move up or down a lot? #UKEdChat @mjowchs I always encourage children to try the next level up if I think they've chosen an easier one because they're being lazy. #ukedchat #ukedchat what about rewards; should we give pupils who work quickly and complete work the reward of free time or extension task @GiftedPhoenix again, the point is flexibility. actually listening 2 wht the students need, not just saying 'we teach in sets ' #ukedchat @Jokprice then create an extra enrichment class or something like that,get them working there. Lower 1s follow if they are upto it #ukedchat @CliveBuckley that makes sense now. of course. #UKEdChat @didactylos organisation style learning. I have one unit which is a role grouper for a tourist firm. Kids love it and cross links #ukedchat General concensus seems to be that maths is the one subject that sets work for. anyone with an opposing view to this idea? #ukedchat @jackieschneider #ukedchat good point, I find some people think that being nice is the same as being clever. @GiftedPhoenix I would have thought they would take 2nd sets in order to gain a high CVA... #ukedchat @CliveBuckley but is that not the same regardless of how classes are organised? #UKEdChat @trees2066 and that's cos maths doesn't always integrate well with cross-curricular/topic approach, tho needs that at times #ukedchat In one school we split a boy heavy yr into 4 boy classes and 2 mixed. But that isn't setting as usch is it? #ukedchat Helping everyone achieve their individual potential is what it is all about #ukedchat @missbrownsword @carterheadteach is head of a secondary with about 300 pupils, I bet they have similar challenges! #UKEdChat nearly forgot. we also rotate groups. each teacher only teachers a class 4 10 weeks then repeats the lessons 2 the other classes. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu #ukedchat we review or sets every half term. We do assessments then hold progress phase meetings to discuss @CreativeEdu #ukedchat movement is possible and up is great but down may be necessary but doesn't always motivate I think greater cross links is the way forward. Schools as organisations. Make kids feel worthwhile contributing to the team ethos #ukedchat @KS1_teacher It's all a juggling act sometimes ;-s #ukedchat @mjowchs We always have to plan challenges or extensions for that situation. Do you think rewards would be better? #ukedchat @iteachyear4 @JOHNSAYERS not only LA need concrete resources. Helps those HA inchworms out there who aren't typical grasshoppers! #ukedchat RT @CreativeEdu: but is that not the same regardless of how classes are organised? #UKEdChat that is why we have to consider the individual Bottom set argument: Self esteem - worse to have stigma of 'bottom set' or in class with teaching over ur head and not contribute?#ukedchat @bucharesttutor I only have one pair of hands!! Kids range from p scales to level 6! #ukedchat @AntHeald Hmm... can you imagine teaching a bottom set of the unenthusiastic? #ukedchat @john_at_muuua #ukedchat There's a tendency for the 'narrowing the gap' kids to congregate in the lower sets? Recording of last night's vital chat is here: http://bit.ly/eQ3Tpe #vitalcpd #ukedchat RT @Jokprice: @bucharesttutor I only have one pair of hands!! Kids range from p scales to level 6! #ukedchat @bevevans22 reading classes are set as well .helps build confidence amoung poorer readers i find #ukedchat @john_at_muuua gosh, that sounds very dull, having to repeat everything! #ukedchat @trees2066 if latter exists that just poor teaching #ukedchat @bevevans22 yes..see Jo Boaler's book "The Elephant In The Classroom" gr8 argument against setting #ukedchat @bevevans22 we set for mental maths (15 minutes daily). Seems to work well, but we review groups regularly. #ukedchat @Jokprice biggest argument in favour of ability grouping is that spread #ukedchat #ukedchat - worth looking at how people learn outside school. Being inspired, confident to risk failing & collaboration vital. @squiggle7@Creativeedu keep the higher set busy with new worksheets n fr lower keep thm motivatd by encouragement n +ve attitude #ukedchat @passthechablis I agree - sometimes something teachers forget. It's all about making connections in the brain. #ukedchat No hands up, random selection, stops the MA from always answering questions. Really help LA to feel more involved in a lesson #ukedchat How many schools suffer from t middle band kids who fall below radar and end up C/D borderline and then get focus in Y11 too late #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: @bevevans22 reading classes R set as well .helps build confidence amoung poorer readers i find #ukedchat< not in my place @ianaddison unless we are inventive. Our issue is those who perceive themselves as 'great' despite the evidence! #ukedchat oops! Been forgetting #ukedchat @ictast And I think reviewing regularly (when sets are in place) is the key #ukedchat #ukedchat Will the UK ever change the current model and end grouping children by age. Sure you've all seen this: http://bit.ly/fgAigy I can imagine it would feel very negative but maybe kids then flourish in a lower set? #UKEdChat @mjowchs #ukedchat @john_at_muuua #ukedchat A nice luxury if you can vary the school policy to be so flexible. @iteachyear4 absolutely.Plus assumption that HA can visualise better, therefore don't need the resources...back to diffferntiation!#ukedchat @philallman1 @hairysporran We are trialling mixed ability English in Y5 & 6 after 35 years of setting. No one is sure of it yet #ukedchat RT @didactylos: why not organise as fluid and changing 'task groups' - taken from the military - assessment is ongoing, taks produce assessments? #ukedchat What about the children who are in the wrong set? #ukedchat @bluemoonjules totally the opposite. We change topics each year. rlly specialize in R topics & the kids luv the experience! #ukedchat @didactylos #ukedchat I think this is an excellent concept. Lots of success seen when pupils have to achieve a real life task. #ukedchat Maths in mixed ability is an interesting concept but doesn't really work when teaching certain skills. Does work for rich tasks. One of the easiest ways to differentiate is by questioning. Works in any situation #ukedchat If any kind of 'setting' was to take place I'd suggest gardner's multiple intelligences #ukedchat @tj007 #ukedchat Hadn't thought of that - or maybe the D/C borderline? Things have changed. Are there other ways we could set other than by academic ability? #UKEdChat RT @malcolmbellamy: What about the children who are in the wrong set? #ukedchat <- or the silent child who just is there and not 'visible' Can't do #ukedchat tonight. Getting ready for portfolio standardisation tomorrow. And anyway, all my classes are mixed ability. No choice. @GiftedPhoenix sod the policy. we did it and then the school caught us up! #ukedchat (a smashing OFSTED helped!) #ukedchat @passthechablis Which is why it is still very much a necessity to differentiate even in set groups. #ukedchat

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RT @CliveBuckley: Helping everyone achieve their individual potential is what it is all about #ukedchat @philallman1 Yes but even with best teachers, it's hard to hit everyone in a Maths group spanning from L2-6... #ukedchat @john_at_muuua wouldn't suit me - I like variety, hate repeating myself! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu @missbrownsword #UKEdChat Evening... Did someone call? What about Waterloo Road's boys vs girls sets? #UKEdChat
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@iteachyear4 Yep. Doesn't *have* to be that rigid so long as *over time* learners get their fair share. #ukedchat @bevevans22 I agree #ukedchat. Although it is hard to manage 32 children of mixed ability sets RT @dughall: RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - why don't we set for PE, music or art? cos they are not academic subjects! Oh! @iteachyear4 @dughall I do that to so every grp gets me one day and TA one day a week #ukedchat RT @CliveBuckley: Should we not ask our learners what they find better? #ukedchat Gt point! Someone must have some survey data! @Jokprice I do find though that sometimes it is the LA who get more support, especially from TA, which isn't really fair on HA! #ukedchat Mixed-ability sets 'give no educational benefit': http://ow.ly/3PQCV 3rd team/reserves etc. #ukedchat @GaryAveryICT when I was at school I was in the bottom set for swimming. We were called the 'drowners' ! #UKEdChat #ukedchat - just because society is obsessed with ranking everything doesn't mean teachers have to be! @malcolmbellamy My maths group were really put off maths. Luckily, thanks to PLN support/ideas to help me, they love it again :-) #ukedchat @CreativeEdu #UKEdChat Poole is selective which does not help much. (I was in school with Mark Hughes - you have no idea how depressing it is to see someone with such football skills)! #ukedchat @CliveBuckley #ukedchat can they judge what is better or best aren't we paid to judge for them enjoying learning is good but best for them? RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat You can mix up the children any way you want. A great teacher creates amazing results in any situation @GaryAveryICT @john_at_muuua @misshbond My PE classes when I was in 2dry were set. Done by if you were good at games - I wasn't! #ukedchat Though might say same for people with academic skills! #ukedchat @bevevans22 Interesting! Clever vs arty. Indicative of a major problem in our society methinks! #ukedchat @LouiW You're right they aren't. And if you're finding it difficult, you're obviously doing something right! cause it is difficult!#ukedchat RT @malcolmbellamy: I would not have liked setting in P.E. I would want to feel that I could achieve #ukedchat Me too! judging initial options choices in my school mfl will not be set as almost no pupils opted for it. mr gove? how can you help us? #ukedchat @jodieworld #ukedchat I think Y6 teacher with 2c to 5a maths pupils would disagree. It can be a huge challenge to have such vast divides RT @mjowchs: @CliveBuckley #ukedchat can they judge what is better or best aren't we paid to judge for them : sorry cannot agree #ukedchat why do dept heads put worst teachers with lowest sets then wonder why they have discipline problems and poor results. Duh @CliveBuckley #ukedchat weren't you inspired to perform better ;-) RT @jodieworld: #ukedchat You can mix up the children any way you want. A great teacher creates amazing results in any situation Any benefit to kids being in one mixed ability group that attends all lessons together? #UKEdChat RT @CliveBuckley: RT @mjowchs: @CliveBuckley #ukedchat can they judge what is better or best aren't we paid to judge for them : sorry cannot agree #ukedchat At least if you set kids (for anything) you might at least be doing some half decent assessment for learning! When the new curriculum comes in, we're looking at setting our KS1 Latin classes - anyone else? #ukedchat RT @mjowchs: @CliveBuckley #ukedchat weren't you inspired to perform better ;-) No #ukedchat Elephant in the classroom. Jo Boaler argues strongly against setting in maths @squiggle7 I think I spent Year 9 'trying' to do a handstand because the teacher said I wouldn't play basketball otherwise! #ukedchat The only set I was ever in was in French and it put me off of learning the language until I was an adult #ukedchat @ZoeAndrewsAST @SchoolDuggery Planning, planning? Surely you just make it up as you go along! #ukedchat @garyaveryict The dreaded bleep test. We were put into group 1, 2 or 3 according to our results i.e. how long we could run for. #ukedchat @dughall Why is history more worthy than music? Or RE more so than art? I worked hard and had to create. He just crammed facts! #ukedchat RT @dughall: #ukedchat At least if you set kids (for anything) you might at least be doing some half decent assessment for learning! @tj007 imo if doing higher cover all topics. You never know which marks they may get. #ukedchat @malcolmbellamy Doesn't that feeling of being able to achieve apply to *any* subject. Not just PE? #ukedchat @philallman1 its not and I'm a history teacher! #ukedchat Is setting a hnagover from the days when ed was about seperating 'wheat from chaff'? Is that why Gove likes it so much? #ukedchat @philallman1 I felt I was already judged as being 'arty' before secondary. Too much labeling #ukedchat #ukedchat if we have to set - why can't kids choose their set? I would love a future #ukedchat to discuss the 'value' of different subjects! @misshbond on that test I'd have been top set but I couldn't throw a ball to save my life! #UKEdChat #ukedchat at Whitley Bay most classes mixed. They use a 'seating 4 learning approach'- shoulder partner equal ability, face partners not. RT @CliveBuckley: RT @mjowchs: @CliveBuckley #ukedchat weren't you inspired to perform better ;-) No _ mixed is best ? RT @trees2066: When the new curriculum comes in, we're looking at setting our KS1 Latin classes - anyone else? #ukedchat<& other subjects ;) #ukedchat# if u hav to be set by some other subject wot r gud match ups eg History set by English or r thr no such thing? Local high only sets for pe and maths! Works for them. #ukedchat Into last 20 minutes of tonight's #ukedchat: Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #UKEdChat surely setting is for lazy teachers who can't be bothered to differentiate?? ÔÇ£@dughall: RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - why don't we set for PE, music or art?ÔÇØ The range of skills is not so great in each key stage?

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When I was at school kids tended to be in all top or all bottom sets. Makes no sense as surely we're good at different things? #UKEdChat #ukedchat we r currently teaching Year 11 in sets and Year 10 mixed ability. So far I haven't noticed any diff. Quality of teacher important @dughall @hairysporran - you are confusing PE with extra curricula voluntary activity! #ukedchat @misshbond what the frack is this 'bleep test' by Year 9 do it and come back knackered!? #ukedchat @bevevans22 @dughall my old head once told me i was an arty clarty teacher. she was an english specialist. made me v angry.#ukedchat Maybe setting is less about ability in a given subject and more about ability to pass exams? #UKEdChat #ukedchat It's really interesting to look at some of the US experience, where schools have been 'detracked' into universal mixed ability RT @CliveBuckley: I would love a future #ukedchat to discuss the 'value' of different subjects!
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@CreativeEdu I don't expect less. In some ways I expect more and seem to get more. Many want to improve (at primary anyway) #ukedchat Likewise am infuriated by mixed ability with no differentiation #ukedchat @clivebuckley #ukedchat was crap at rugby and other such stuff, delighted to be left out! In fact spent loads of effort avoiding it all 1/2 listening to primus while reading #ukedchat kind of does your head in. its pudding time we define clever and stupid by creating the boxes #ukedchat @Jokprice Yeah! We have art workshops every Monday. I choose completely at random using fruit machine so all get a chance. #ukedchat RT @mjowchs: @CreativeEdu #ukedchat kids aren't daft only the arrogant think they deserve to be in a higher group< Oh come on! @bevevans22 #ukedchat Closest Gove came to being in a mixed ability class was when foreign exchange student (b grade) was visiting. @Vickster027 Great that it's working for you. Hope ours will be as successful #ukedchat #ukedchat let's set kids in art, history, music etc on how they do in yr9 exams in sci, eng and maths. Utter nonsense @misshbond #ukedchat Yes - interesting exercise to ask the children/young people to set themselves ! @clivebuckley #ukedchat a bit like a lot of kids spend most of their efforts avoiding school 'work' 2/2 We're into the last ten minutes of tonight's #ukedchat. Time to start thinking of your final thoughts or things we can all reflect on #ukedchat bottom sets usually mean more challenging behavior. Kids who could progress, cant, as the teacher is too busy sorting out problems @bevevans22 but are you the norm or the exception in expecting more? #UKEdChat #ukedchat often badly behaved pupils find themselves in lower sets. Mixed sets allow pupils to aspire to be the best they can be tell the bottom set they have been promoted overnight to top set and see what they feel #ukedchat @CreativeEdu is it just me or do all lower sets have stigmas of behaviour issues is it because of the low set brand? #ukedchat @dughall deffo. Setting mustn't be seen as excuse not to differentiate #ukedchat #ukedchat I have often found when in sets one or two children on the LA table say to me 'I can't do this I'm a circle' - this is damaging! Advantage of small size of my LA English set is I think offset by lack of models of 'better' skills. #ukedchat @iteachyear4 I pull sticks out for topic and HA worry they will end up LA every time! #ukedchat @CreativeEdu wasn't there recent research to suggest that this didn't have the impact we thought? #ukedchat @CreativeEdu Don't know. having a son who is disabled probaly gives me a different viewpoint #ukedchat RT @didactylos: @clivebuckley #ukedchat a bit like a lot of kids spend most of their efforts avoiding school 'work' 2/2 Agree! @swelsh04 agree, but how they do in english (lit levels) relevant to coursework subjects? #ukedchat RT @swelsh04: #ukedchat let's set kids in art, history, music etc on how they do in yr9 exams in sci, eng and maths. Utter nonsense Tonight has been scary. many depts seem very... er... set in their ways. #ukedchat @malcolmbellamy #ukedchat and we define teacher, pupil, school, home, family in the same way! @bevevans22 we saw huge jump with v.low ability kids when trying to drag our school our of special measures by aiming high #UKEdChat RT @Jokprice: @iteachyear4 LA and poor Middlesex get missed #ukedchat RT @malcolmbellamy: we define clever and stupid by creating the boxes #ukedchat @dughall i was remedial set for english while was at school till i was 13. parents got me up to a B at A level #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS @creativeedu my 14 year old son's PE set call themselves the z set! :o( #ukedchat RT @Creativeedu: what about setting by learning style instead of ability? #UKEdChat RT @JOHNSAYERS: @CreativeEdu is it just me or do all lower sets have stigmas of behaviour issues is it because of the low set brand? #ukedchat ÔÇ£@Creativeedu: Is there a social stigma to 'bottom sets' does it lower kids expectations of themselves? #UKEdChatÔÇØ
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@LouiW hurrah for the well behaved bottom set! #UKEdChat Thanks for the evening guys. a pleasure as ever #ukedchat No - need to develop range RT @CarterHeadteach: "@CreativeEdu: what about setting by learning style instead of ability? #UKEdChat". YES!! RT @squiggle7: Sign up now to Teachmeet Midlands Sat 19th Feb 1pm-4.30pm loads of fabulous ideas sharing and amazing prizes to be won. #tmm11 #ukedchat #ukedchat more whole year collapsed open subjects needed where kids work in small kagans set groups to give all the chance to succeed RT @hairysporran: @CreativeEdu tried setting for learning style it proved very difficult to teach if the teacher had a different style to the pupils #ukedchat Everybody should take a look at #ukedchat right now: very dynamic chat! I want #dkedchat for #dkudd - are enough DK educators on Twitter? #ukedchat These are my 2 blogposts on the issue - a bit lengthy but I'd welcome your comments - http://bit.ly/fJdC1y RT @GaryAveryICT: RT @CreativeEdu: does anyone teach a well behaved bottom set? #UKEdChat Define well behaved.. Mine are challenging but also great fun #ukedchat RT @dughall: cn thr B a more maligned group/set/time than "Last lesson Friday, bottom set Y9" <- ths kind of thing *doesn't* help! #ukedchat if we allow pupils to learn in their preferred learning style how can they broaden their range of learning skills @iteachyear4 @LeahJames21 doesn't mean it's down to not having groups. Could be lots of factors different between here and there #ukedchat @WolvesTeach #ukedchat also great using higher ability to be mini teachers in groups - retention much higher for both as more interesting @dughall the remedial label stuck with me made me angry but parents v supportive. shame its not the case for more pupils today. #ukedchat @CreativeEdu lower end need more stimulus more smiles more passion #ukedchat make them feel wanted is sooooooo important! Okay - final thoughts on setting v mixed ability! #ukedchat No easy answers but personalised learning & good differentiation is key for me RT @Paddymcgrath: #ukedchat quality teaching is all that matter. A bottom set with a grt teacher will feel just as great as a top set: oYeah #ukedchat Only thing that does work is having high expectations of kids RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat if we allow pupils to learn in their preferred learning style how can they broaden their range of learning skills @bevevans22 And I bet he does, it must be very motivated to have a very driven mum! #UKEdChat #ukedchat @mrrobertsict @johnsayers @creativeedu no fear or embarrassment -doesn't appear to have dented SE - but top set in everything else @hairysporran Agree! Very sorry to read those tweets of yours. Glad it turned out. Can't be true for all yr 'remedial' classmates #ukedchat Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat @squiggle7 Yeah, I think we need to start speaking Finnish too :-) That might work. #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Only thing that does work is having high expectations of kids> they must have high expectations of themselves @hairysporran #ukedchat parental support is missing in too many of our pupils RT @dajbelshaw: Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat RT @dajbelshaw: Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat RT @mjowchs: @hairysporran #ukedchat parental support is missing in too many of our pupils < as we touched on in last week's session RT @iteachyear4: RT @dajbelshaw: Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat Oh but so many do sadly RT @dajbelshaw: Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat @jodieworld #ukedchat Nature of the subject is why science needs to be taught in ability sets. There's no basic version of ionic bonding! @bevevans22 #ukedchat I think setting is part of the armoury of personalisation, but only part - and should be kept under close review @DeputyHeadDunn #ukedchat Then no need to set if differenciation/personalisation is spot on. IMHO this has been the best #UKEdChat for ages! good job @bevans22 personal learning pathways are the way forward for me. pupils mentored as the follow their individual paths coaching not teaching? #ukedchat Lower ability kids learn from the more able and the more able secure their learning by helping the lower ability. Fact. #ukedchat RT @karencymru:Setting is a sop to middle-class parents. No teacher really *believes* in it, surely? #ukedchat RT @Ideas_Factory: @DeputyHeadDunn #ukedchat Then no need to set if differenciation/personalisation is spot on. >Agree totally RT @tas_sasso: Lower ability kids learn from the more able and the more able secure their learning by helping the lower ability. Fact. #ukedchat RT @hairysporran: personal learning pathways are the way forward for me. pupils mentored as the follow their individual paths coaching not teaching? #ukedchat #ukedchat smiles are fine but don't tell kids they're briliant if there not @bevevans22 @KS1_teacher Thanks for engagement and inspiration with #ukedchat this week :-) RT @CreativeEdu: IMHO this has been the best #UKEdChat for ages! good job @bevans22 <-Agreed!!! Thanks to all. RT @Creativeedu: IMHO this has been the best #UKEdChat for ages! good job @bevevans22 #ukedchat for me it's about really, really knowing your students. Mixed v set then becomes peripheral. @CliveBuckley #ukedchat Difficult for kids who are in poverty trap-low self esteem-up to teachers and school to believe in them. Good chat.. Thanks all.. #ukedchat Yes, thanks to you all. Enjoyed it! #ukedchat It's 9pm - Many thanks to @bevevans22 for hosting this thought-provoking session. The archive process will start at 9.20 #ukedchat Please join @dajbelshaw next Thursday for #ukedchat What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? @CreativeEdu or disprove ;-) (with same said hat on ;-) ) #ukedchat @tas_sasso Not sure the more able are always challenged enough in that scenario #ukedchat @bevevans22 Great job, Bev! Shame I came late to the partyy! #ukedchat RT @ukedchat: Please join @dajbelshaw next Thursday for #ukedchat What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? That's it! It's 9 o'clock. #ukedchat is over but continue to chat using the hashtag if you want to. Thanks for an interesting session! @tas_sasso But surely every group is like this, whether set or not as different abilities? Just smaller gap from top to bottom #ukedchat #ukedchat isn't there just something inherently wrong with ability labelling. RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat smiles are fine but don't tell kids they're briliant if there not: No lets tell them they are rubbish! RT @ukedchat: Join @dajbelshaw next Thursday for #ukedchat What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? #purposed RT @dajbelshaw: RT @ukedchat: Please join @dajbelshaw next Thursday for #ukedchat What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? #ukedchat my first edchat, cherry broken, frenetic and exhillerating now I need a beer @bevevans22 Thanks for #ukedchat - nice that we all agree that there are as many answers to the question as there are pupils! Are ability set classes just an easy way out for teachers to do less prep and differentiate? I think so. #ukedchat @hrogerson Completely agree-subject knowledge & knowledge of kids essential-easier at primary #ukedchat @dajbelshaw #ukedchat I have to disagree- it can be useful in the right context - no reason to throw it out entirely @ukedchat @bevevans22 tnks bev enjoyed it :0) #ukedchat @DeputyHeadDunn #ukedchat Thanks all, I enjoyed that! @bevevans22 Inspirational parental engagement project alluded to in last week's #UKEdChat well worth a read: http://ow.ly/3PREs @GiftedPhoenix Explain the 'context' then please. And then explain it in terms my 4 year-old can understand. #ukedchat Mixed ability classes with ability groups when necessary. There's my 2p anyway. #ukedchat Missed the beginning and end, but very much enjoyed #ukedchat tonight, although getting harder to follow! How does anyone else do it? @ukedchat @dajbelshaw I just caught the end of #ukedchat today, i'll have to make sure I tune in a lot earlier next week. Looks good though. Setting a sop to middle class parents or not, imagine how this #ukedchat looks to Mail/Telegraph crowd. Big battle for societal change. Thanks again everyone for joining in and making #ukedchat as thought provoking as ever. @bevevans22 http://bit.ly/aIC3AW enjoy! #ukedchat 1st of my new #InspiringSchools series - would love to hear success stories from your school for the next post. http://ow.ly/3PRGk #UKEdChat Next week is a #ukedchat special: What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? hosted by @dajbelshaw @bevevans22 thanks! #ukedchat good discussion @HilGibb Well it's nice to see some new faces #ukedchat is very addictive though! @davestacey Twitterfall easiest to use for #ukedchat can even pause constant stream No answer is there? Congrats to @bevevans22 for hosting this I really want to get some contributors together and let them debate! #ukedchat @dajbelshaw I think that if you want the best progress for every pupil, then setting is sometimes required. #ukedchat #sadbeliever #ukedchat bit late I know but does anyone set post 16? We do for maths AS. RT @bevevans22: Next week is a #ukedchat special: What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? hosted by @dajbelshaw sorry I missed #ukedchat - looks a goodie @ZoeAndrewsAST In the current system, with the constraints we've got... #ukedchat #limitedhorizons

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#ukedchat enjoyed my first chat. Cheers @MarinaRobb Wasn't suggesting doing so, but makes no less sense to me than setting by 'ability', in practice often same thing #ukedchat @Sundayteatime I would happily set post 16 if i had anough groups on together. #ukedchat RT @bevevans22: Next week is a #ukedchat special: What's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right direction? hosted by @dajbelshaw #ukedchat bit late I know but does anyone set post 16? We do for maths AS. We don't set as such but brighter pupils do A Level, others BTEC RT @MarinaRobb: @AntHeald Hmm... can you imagine teaching a bottom set of the unenthusiastic? #ukedchat